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		<title>Comment on Contra Fowler &#8211; why we should support a no-fly zone in Libya. by John Fowler</title>
		<link>http://hughj.com/2011/03/06/contra-fowler-why-we-should-support-a-no-fly-zone-in-libya/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Fowler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 09:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hadn&#039;t read either of these comments before writing my response, which with hindsight is a shame. Both very insightful. Much appreciated Gene.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hadn&#8217;t read either of these comments before writing my response, which with hindsight is a shame. Both very insightful. Much appreciated Gene.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Contra Fowler &#8211; why we should support a no-fly zone in Libya. by Hugh Jorgensen</title>
		<link>http://hughj.com/2011/03/06/contra-fowler-why-we-should-support-a-no-fly-zone-in-libya/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hugh Jorgensen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 07:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very interesting interview - thanks Gene. I agree with Clarke on most of his points (And I&#039;m sure that as a four star general he&#039;s extremely thankful to have received such an accolade from a 7th year university student from Australia). I think the two most important points he makes relate to the significance of designing a clear objective and the second, which I didn&#039;t touch on above, is the importance of confirming any claims of human rights abuse before proceeding to intervene in Libya.

On the issue of the objective - the goal is not just to prevent Gaddafi from bombing the protestors from above.  If the reports of foreign mercenaries being hired to kill civilians and rebels are true (the confirmation of which, relates to the second point of the need to confirm such claims) then this is outrageous and unconscionable behaviour which must be stopped. I note Clarke didn&#039;t touch on the issue of mercenaries but the interview was from three days ago and the facts still remain admittedly hazy.

I don&#039;t generally like slippery slope arguments as a rule but with regards to this, if the argument is a) that Gaddafi will scale up ground forces to make up for an inability to use his crappy air force, then I see no reason why Gaddafi would not already be deploying his forces in a maximum capacity, in combination with his fighter jets - he already has every incentive to go all out b) that America and its allies would be sucked into making an ever greater commitment - this is a possibility but one that I think can be avoided if it&#039;s stated from the very outset that assistance will be limited to air support for the rebels and nothing else.

Finally, as I said, there are perfectly valid reasons for not supporting any military assistance in Libya. The challenge of international legitimacy is pretty major - with the difficulty of obtaining a resolution from the Security Council being the primary obstacle.  But given the Arab League support a no-fly zone and that there are (some) rebels calling for a no fly-zone, I&#039;m still inclined to think it is a better option than not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting interview &#8211; thanks Gene. I agree with Clarke on most of his points (And I&#8217;m sure that as a four star general he&#8217;s extremely thankful to have received such an accolade from a 7th year university student from Australia). I think the two most important points he makes relate to the significance of designing a clear objective and the second, which I didn&#8217;t touch on above, is the importance of confirming any claims of human rights abuse before proceeding to intervene in Libya.</p>
<p>On the issue of the objective &#8211; the goal is not just to prevent Gaddafi from bombing the protestors from above.  If the reports of foreign mercenaries being hired to kill civilians and rebels are true (the confirmation of which, relates to the second point of the need to confirm such claims) then this is outrageous and unconscionable behaviour which must be stopped. I note Clarke didn&#8217;t touch on the issue of mercenaries but the interview was from three days ago and the facts still remain admittedly hazy.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t generally like slippery slope arguments as a rule but with regards to this, if the argument is a) that Gaddafi will scale up ground forces to make up for an inability to use his crappy air force, then I see no reason why Gaddafi would not already be deploying his forces in a maximum capacity, in combination with his fighter jets &#8211; he already has every incentive to go all out b) that America and its allies would be sucked into making an ever greater commitment &#8211; this is a possibility but one that I think can be avoided if it&#8217;s stated from the very outset that assistance will be limited to air support for the rebels and nothing else.</p>
<p>Finally, as I said, there are perfectly valid reasons for not supporting any military assistance in Libya. The challenge of international legitimacy is pretty major &#8211; with the difficulty of obtaining a resolution from the Security Council being the primary obstacle.  But given the Arab League support a no-fly zone and that there are (some) rebels calling for a no fly-zone, I&#8217;m still inclined to think it is a better option than not.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Contra Fowler &#8211; why we should support a no-fly zone in Libya. by Gene</title>
		<link>http://hughj.com/2011/03/06/contra-fowler-why-we-should-support-a-no-fly-zone-in-libya/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gene]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 06:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not as sure about the clarity of the objective with regard to imposing a no fly zone - if we impose a no fly zone but Libya starts to use other means to disrupt/punish protesters that don&#039;t involve flying, will we then send in other forces to stop them? It&#039;s essentially a slippery slope argument, and I don&#039;t know enough about the situation but heard an interview with Wesley Clarke and this is essentially what he was arguing. http://bit.ly/dT6Vkp]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not as sure about the clarity of the objective with regard to imposing a no fly zone &#8211; if we impose a no fly zone but Libya starts to use other means to disrupt/punish protesters that don&#8217;t involve flying, will we then send in other forces to stop them? It&#8217;s essentially a slippery slope argument, and I don&#8217;t know enough about the situation but heard an interview with Wesley Clarke and this is essentially what he was arguing. <a href="http://bit.ly/dT6Vkp" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/dT6Vkp</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Q. Why put One Nation’s Ian Nelson on #Qanda? A. To appease our inner Rubbernecker. by Jane</title>
		<link>http://hughj.com/2011/02/21/q-why-put-one-nation%e2%80%99s-ian-nelson-on-qanda-a-to-appease-our-inner-rubbernecker/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 06:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A very good read! :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very good read! <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<link>http://hughj.com/2011/02/20/link-dump-terrorist-hunters-scientology-man-v-machine-unfocused/#comment-17</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2011 12:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 03:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Sunday Links: Spy games, mastermind criminals and Nazis by Tweets that mention Sunday Links: Spy games, mastermind criminals and Nazis -- Topsy.com</title>
		<link>http://hughj.com/2011/02/06/sunday-links-spy-games-mastermind-criminals-and-nazis/#comment-15</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 10:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Why Anna Bligh&#039;s means-testing is neither &#039;mean-spirited&#039; or &#039;disgusting&#039; by Hugh Jorgensen</title>
		<link>http://hughj.com/2011/01/25/why-anna-bligh-is-not-mean-spirited-or-disgusting/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hugh Jorgensen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2011 03:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for taking the time to comment Ben.  I agree that a person&#039;s evaluation of means-tested benefits is likely to reflect (to some degree) their political preferences, but using loaded terms such as &#039;mean-spirited&#039; and &#039;disgusting&#039; doesn&#039;t exactly indicate Langbroek is looking for a discussion over political philosophy so much as news-grabbing rhetoric.

My point in the above piece is that if he&#039;s going to accuse Bligh of being *intentionally* mean, he should at least have the decency to propose an alternative welfare methodology where his explanation goes beyond &#039;Whatever that is&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for taking the time to comment Ben.  I agree that a person&#8217;s evaluation of means-tested benefits is likely to reflect (to some degree) their political preferences, but using loaded terms such as &#8216;mean-spirited&#8217; and &#8216;disgusting&#8217; doesn&#8217;t exactly indicate Langbroek is looking for a discussion over political philosophy so much as news-grabbing rhetoric.</p>
<p>My point in the above piece is that if he&#8217;s going to accuse Bligh of being *intentionally* mean, he should at least have the decency to propose an alternative welfare methodology where his explanation goes beyond &#8216;Whatever that is&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Anna Bligh&#039;s means-testing is neither &#039;mean-spirited&#039; or &#039;disgusting&#039; by Ben</title>
		<link>http://hughj.com/2011/01/25/why-anna-bligh-is-not-mean-spirited-or-disgusting/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jan 2011 21:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreement or disagreement to means testing in my opinion depends entirely on where you stand in the political spectrum, which is why it (means testing) is neither right or wrong, and conversely, the comment by Langbroek is neither right or wrong, nor, if I may be so bold, misguided.

Just as means testing is an entirely acceptable plan to one side, it is &#039;mean spirited&#039; and &#039;disgusting&#039; to the other. The economic benefits of giving more to &#039;those who need it&#039; (leaving aside the moral pitfalls of attempting to determine THAT) versus the benefits of distributing benefits equally on a contributive basis has been argued for longer than I have been around, so there will be no resolution to this issue I feel.

I would be interested in your opinion about the flood levy on an economic basis, as once again the acceptability of the progressive element of the tax will depend on which side of politics you hitch your wagon to.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreement or disagreement to means testing in my opinion depends entirely on where you stand in the political spectrum, which is why it (means testing) is neither right or wrong, and conversely, the comment by Langbroek is neither right or wrong, nor, if I may be so bold, misguided.</p>
<p>Just as means testing is an entirely acceptable plan to one side, it is &#8216;mean spirited&#8217; and &#8216;disgusting&#8217; to the other. The economic benefits of giving more to &#8216;those who need it&#8217; (leaving aside the moral pitfalls of attempting to determine THAT) versus the benefits of distributing benefits equally on a contributive basis has been argued for longer than I have been around, so there will be no resolution to this issue I feel.</p>
<p>I would be interested in your opinion about the flood levy on an economic basis, as once again the acceptability of the progressive element of the tax will depend on which side of politics you hitch your wagon to.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A refudialist paper: Palin meets the founding fathers by Patrick</title>
		<link>http://hughj.com/2010/11/27/a-refudialist-paper-palin-meets-the-founding-fathers/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Nov 2010 20:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Genius.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Genius.</p>
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